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Conversations with leaders and practitioners on why the Great Commission still shapes how the church spends itself.

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Hosted byMatthew Ellison and Ted Esler
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About the show

The Mission Matters is a place to talk about the importance of our mission as Christians. It is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen Missions Coaching, who share a passion to mobilize God’s people to be part of His mission.

Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler host conversations with leaders, historians, and practitioners, taking on the questions the field is actually arguing about rather than the safe ones.

Recent episodes

  1. 89

    What does church planting look like in one of the least-reached English-speaking countries in the world? In this episode of The Mission Matters Podcast, Ted Esler talks with Irish church planter, researcher, and writer Jonny Pollock about the changing…

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  2. 88

    For more than 50 years, Perspectives on the World Christian Movement has helped Christians see the Bible—and their own lives—through the lens of God’s global mission. In this episode, Perspectives president James Mason joins Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler to…

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  3. 87

    What happens when church growth becomes more about bigger buildings, larger budgets, and better programs than making disciples who make disciples? In this episode of the Mission Matters podcast, Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler talk with Todd Wilson, founder of…

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  4. 86

    What happens when people hear the Bible in their own heart language for the very first time? In this fascinating conversation, Morgan Jackson of Faith Comes By Hearing shares incredible stories from the frontlines of global missions—where entire villages…

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  5. 85

    The New Testament leader who kept sending others forward, and what he models for mission today.

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  6. 84

    Women make up the majority of the global missionary workforce, yet their voices and leadership experiences are often overlooked in conversations about missions. In this episode of The Mission Matters Podcast (with hosts Ted Esler and Matthew Ellison) , SEND…

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  7. 83

    In this episode of the Mission Matters Podcast with hosts Ted Esler and Matthew Ellison, guest Jim Harries challenges traditional Western missions models through the concept of “vulnerable mission.” Drawing from decades of ministry experience in East Africa,…

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  8. 82

    Why are so many Gen Z students turning to tarot cards, crystals, mindfulness, and alternative spirituality while walking away from the church? In this thought-provoking conversation, Mark Matlock, Executive Director of Urbana and Senior Fellow at Barna Group,…

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  9. 81

    Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler sit down with Aaron Abramson, CEO of Jews for Jesus, to explore the organization’s mission of reaching Jewish people with the gospel while honoring their cultural and historical identity. Abramson explains how Jews for Jesus…

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  10. 80

    In this episode of the The Mission Matters Podcast , Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler sit down with Dennis Martin (of One Challenge's Sexual Wholeness Initiative) to address a largely unspoken issue in global missions: sexual sin/brokenness. Drawing from both…

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  11. 79

    Matthew and Ted's conversation with Dr. Ed Stetzer explores the meaning and history of missio Dei (the idea that mission originates from God, not the church). He traces how missions thinking has shifted over the past century, from “the Church has missions” to…

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  12. 78

    In this episode of the Mission Matters Podcast, Sarah Breuel shares her experience as a Brazilian missionary serving in Rome and leading a university student movement across Europe. With nearly 20 years in cross-cultural missions, she discusses the growth of…

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  13. 77

    What is really happening inside Iran right now, and how should the Church respond? In this episode, Ted and Matthew sit down with Sasan Tavassoli, an Iranian pastor and leader who came to faith in Christ after being raised in a Shiite Muslim home. Now serving…

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  14. 76

    In this episode of the Mission Matters podcast, Ted and Matthew talk to Dave Jacob from Gospel Mobilization and Katy White from GoCorp. They unpack findings from the 2025 Launch Survey , a North American study of 2,400 new and aspiring missionaries. The…

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  15. 75

    Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler welcome Michele Okimura, founder of Explicit Movement, to discuss sexual integrity as a critical and often overlooked issue in global missions. Michele shares her background as a teacher, church planter, and nonprofit leader, and…

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  16. 74

    Ted Esler and Matthew Ellison revisit the story of John Chau , seven years after his death on North Sentinel Island, through a conversation with Mary Ho , International Director of All Nations . Mary reflects on John’s extraordinary preparation, his calling…

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  17. 73

    In this episode of The Mission Matters , Matthew and Ted are joined by Bradley Bell , Executive Director of Upstream Equipping , to discuss Bradley and Ted's newly released book, Missiology for Mission Pastors . Written specifically for those leading missions…

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  18. 72

    The episode explores what Ted calls “third party partnerships,” a Kingdom model where ministries unite not for their own benefit but for the sake of a third party, illustrated through a deep collaboration to reach the Tarahumara people of northern Mexico.…

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  19. 71

    Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler close out the year on The Mission Matters podcast by reflecting on key missions trends in 2025 and their most-listened episodes. They revisit a controversial conversation on borders and immigration with Alex Kocman, an…

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  20. 70

    On this episode of the Mission Matters Podcast, Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler talk with Ryan Finke, CEO of International Friendships, Inc. about why international student ministry is one of the most open doors in global missions and how local churches can…

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  21. 69

    Ted Esler defines 'deconstruction' as ideas and practices that dilute a Great-Commission focus on discipling the nations. He argues critical reflection is healthy, but postmodern habits and critical-theory framings can overcorrect, obscuring biblical…

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  22. 68

    Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler welcome guests Megan Gahima (Missions Director, Parkway Church on the Mountain, Roanoke, VA) and Joel Wagner (Senior Pastor, Colonial Baptist Church, Blue Ridge, VA). Megan and Joel recount how a cross-denominational coalition of…

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  23. 67

    Matthew and Ted sit down with Al Mueller, President and Founder of Excellence in Giving (EIG), to explore what makes Kingdom philanthropy effective. It all started with a midnight call from God; Al traces his journey from Wall Street to advising high-capacity…

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  24. 66

    In this episode of the Mission Matters Podcast , hosts Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler speak with Luke Perkins, President of Crossworld, about the vital role marketplace professionals play in global missions. Luke shares his personal journey—from short-term…

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  25. 65

    In this episode of the Mission Matters Podcast , hosts Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler welcome Dr. Matthew Elliott, President of Oasis International and publisher of the Africa Study Bible . Elliott shares his journey from serving with George Verwer to leading…

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  26. 64

    This episode of The Mission Matters podcast features a conversation between Ted Esler, Matthew Ellison, and guest Steve Leston, focusing on the topic of "church-centric missions." The discussion stems from a popular Substack post Ted wrote that ignited…

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  27. 63

    In this episode of The Mission Matters podcast, Ted Esler welcomes guests Matthew Ellison and Denny Spitters from Sixteen:Fifteen to discuss their new book, The Sending Shepherd: Leading Churches to Disciple All Nations . The book emerges from a Barna study…

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  28. 62

    In this episode of The Mission Matters podcast, hosts Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler speak with Dr. Lawrence Oseje, a Kenyan pastor, theologian, and leader of Destiny Impact Mission International. Dr. Oseje shares his journey from pastoring in a…

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  29. 61

    In this episode of the Mission Matters podcast, Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler welcome Mark Luckey, Executive Director of Every Child Ministries (ECM), to discuss how the face of missions in Africa is changing. With decades of firsthand experience, Mark shares…

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  30. 60

    In this episode of The Mission Matters Podcast , hosts Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler sit down with veteran missions mobilizer Jeff Lewis to explore the deep connection between biblical disciple-making and global missions. Jeff also shares about the…

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  31. 59

    How can the illiterate read the Scriptures? Through animation and heart-language engagement, iBIBLE connects deeply with both children and adults in remote areas—many of whom are seeing the Bible in their language for the very first time. In this episode of…

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  32. 58

    The global church is growing exponentially, but traditional training models are inadequate and inaccessible to emerging leaders. With less than 10% of global church leaders having received any formal theological education, Rich explains how Global Action uses…

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  33. 57

    Many people going to the missions field have little exposure to actually sharing the gospel and need significant training. Why? The church has a passion for evangelism but traditionally, there has not been much focus on how to do it for regular people.…

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  34. 56

    Is it possible to 'do missions' without ever sharing the Gospel? Not according to Scott Hildreth. In fact he's written a book called A Short Guide to Missions and Evangelism ( https://a.co/d/8cCsKWv ) that contains a warning to the western Church that she's…

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  35. 55

    How are American Christians thinking about engaging non-Christians in the United States? According to recent Barna research there are 60 to 80 million Americans who don't fit the paradigm that a lot of Christians have about those outside of the church. They…

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  36. 54

    It’s easy to fall into the trap of doing things the same way they've always been done. After fifteen years as the missions pastor of a large church, Larrie Fraley began to reevaluate their missions strategy. He realized that there must be a better way to…

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  37. 53

    What happens when a group of ministry- and mission-minded men decide that they want more than a social gathering and want to change the world? The G6 World Changers in Scottsdale, AZ come together with intentionality - to know each other better as well as…

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  38. 52

    How should an American Jesus follower view attempts by other Christians to enter the United States? Immigration is a contentious issue in our politics and culture in 2025. What should the church's attitude be toward people who are suffering, hurting, and…

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  39. 51

    Are there unchurched and unreached peoples who might be missed by current methodologies and mindsets? Is innovation in church and missions primarily a process that has to do with ideas/technologies/tools/methods or does it reside in something else that God…

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  40. 50

    Research (Dr. Elliot Stephens) has shown that there are three factors that affect attrition on the mission field: interpersonal skills, ministry competency and spiritual formation. Agencies can train for skills, but it's these softer skills that are often…

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  41. 49

    Immigration is not a new topic, but its place in a global missions worldview comes to the forefront due to politics in the USA. What role does the movement of peoples have in the making of disciples in all nations? Is it Biblical or moral to have borders and…

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  42. 48

    In a recent survey (to be published in 2025, stay tuned) of pastors, those with seminary or divinity school degrees were significantly more likely to report passion for those in their community and little toward cross-cultural work or missionaries. Is this…

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  43. 47

    We cannot be successful in gospel obedience without an element of risk. What is a Biblical theology of risk, and how can mission leaders manage risk so that missionaries thrive in their contexts? Scott Brawner is co-founder and President of Concilium, a…

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  44. 46

    Neighbors and Nations

    33 min · 16 Sept 2024

    There are three billion people with least access to the Gospel. Motivated by this fact, author and mission strategist Jeannie Marie writes and teaches everyday Christians how to share their faith to Muslim and Hindu friends. These least reached are not just…

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  45. 45

    Fifty years ago Ralph Winter spoke at the Congress of World Evangelization in Lausanne, Switzerland. He laid out a vision of world evangelization that transformed the perspective on the unreached not as countries or nations, but ethnic people groups. What…

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  46. 44

    Reflejo are a group of Latin-American missionaries called to be forerunners to Gospel movements among the unreached. What are the pathways for Latinos to be sent and what are their unique advantages being sent to the unreached? Dave Matthews is president of…

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  47. 43

    SIM has a long history in Nigeria. As a teen, Joshua Bogunjoku became a follower of Christ and was discipled by an SIM missionary. Years later he became the first non-western International Director of SIM. Eleven years later he has retired. Join Ted and…

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  48. 42

    God has equipped Gen Z with a unique set of gifts for our time and culture. Gen Z are inclusive, empathetic, collaborative, and individualistic. How can we contextualize our mobilization efforts towards these talented young people? Jolene Erlacher (author of…

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  49. 41

    How can the global missions community address the challenge of reaching the nations? In this episode of The Mission Matters podcast, Matthew and Ted speak with David Bennett, Global Associate Director of the Lausanne Movement, about the upcoming Fourth…

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  50. 40

    Many leaders struggle with decluttering the chaos. Coaching is a discovery process with a trusted advisor to chip away at something to see what God is going to uncover. In this episode, Matthew interviews Rob Wassel of Tekton Executive Coaching…

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  51. 39

    Krystle Roberts and Tyler Collins of the Betsey Stockton Foundation discuss the challenges of support raising for ethnic minorities and creative ways to help send people of color to the missions field. Learn more at https://www.betseystocktonfoundation.com/

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  52. 38

    We’re evaluating the future of this podcast, and we would love to hear from you! We’ve put together a short survey at https://1615.org/podcast/ . It’s anonymous, so give us your honest feedback about what you like, what you don’t like, and most importantly,…

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  53. 37

    The values that undergird our society and culture are the air that we breathe, and we take them for granted. If we pull on those values, those threads go all the way back to Jesus. Matthew and Ted interview Glen Scrivener of Speak Life…

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  54. 36

    With Rob Wassel, Jeremy Wynne, and Luke Womack, recorded on the floor of MLC.

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  55. 35

    With Dr. Mary Ho. A harder look at a story the wider world thought it already understood.

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  56. 34

    There’s a positive misconception that people immigrating to the United States are more religious than the average American and may help stem the secular tide. But Dr. Ryan Burge, professor, author, and pastor, says the data doesn’t support that. What does the…

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  57. 33

    Ralph Winter championed the paradigm shift of Unreached People Groups almost 50 years ago, urging the church to focus on the cultures that have the least access to the gospel. Several of the critiques that were offered in the 1970s have recently re-emerged…

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  58. 32

    You might have heard someone declare that Business As Mission (BAM) is THE future of missions - but João Mordomo of BAM Global argues that isn't the heart of Business As Mission. Rather, BAM is driven by a desire to see the whole body of Christ participate in…

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  59. 31

    Jeff Lewis joins Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler to talk about missions, revival, and what we can learn from the life of Nikolaus von Zinzendorf. Jeff dispels some of the common myths surrounding Zinzendorf and the Moravians, and shares what he has learned from…

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  60. 30

    Business As Mission (BAM) is frequently being hailed as the new method of missions funding. Does that mean the era of support raising is over? Or is there space for multiple models of funding to meet the needs of different contexts? Matthew Ellison and Ted…

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  61. 29

    “Kingdom Collaboration” is a special episode for us, because we are co-hosting it with the National Association of Evangelicals podcast, Today’s Conversation. Ted Esler and Matthew Ellison teamed up with Walter Kim of the NAE to co-host a conversation with…

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  62. 28

    “Cultivating Resilience” is the last episode in our three-part miniseries “The Hardest Places on the Planet,” with Matthew Ellison and guest Josh Duncan of TRIAD. TRIAD exists to glorify the King by mobilizing, equipping, and deploying followers of Christ…

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  63. 27

    When Dying Is Gain with Mary Ho

    40 min · 15 Feb 2023

    “When Dying Is Gain” is our second episode of three in our miniseries “The Hardest Places on the Planet,” with Matthew Ellison and guest co-host Bob Blincoe. Our guest is Mary Ho, who serves as the International Executive Leader of All Nations International ,…

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    Season 3 kicks off with the first of a three-part miniseries: The Hardest Places on the Planet. Bob Blincoe of Frontiers shares about his experiences as the first missionary team in Iraq, and how to build grit and resistance for workers called to the hardest…

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    The Future Is Bright...

    11 min · 15 Dec 2022

    Matthew Ellison recaps the podcast for 2022, looks ahead to a new season on going to the hardest to reach places in 2023, and offers a word of encouragement on trusting God, even in the midst of really difficult things.

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    There can be differences between the "missions with a S" world and the "missional" world - but Michael Goheen suggests there's a lot of common ground. Matthew, Ted, and Mike discuss the mission of the biblical story, the role of the church, vocation, cultural…

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  67. 23

    Steve Richardson, president of Pioneers, talks with Matthew and Ted about his new book, Is the Commission Still Great? 8 Myths About Missions and What They Mean for the Church . Is missions necessary? Isn’t it obsolete, colonial, and harmful? Doesn’t it…

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  68. 22

    Haije Bergstra of Missie 1:8 and Jiska Chin-A-Teh of Missie Nederland - the global partners of Sixteen:Fifteen - share about a missions campaign and network that is uniting churches and agencies across the Netherlands: The No Choice Network. They also share…

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  69. 21

    There is an unprecedented opportunity to build relationships and love others by helping them resolve their financial burdens. Can this lead to spiritual transformation as well? Often, financial conditions are a window to a person’s spiritual situation. It is…

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  70. 20

    This important podcast was suggested by one of our listeners: One question that has come up in a number of conversations lately, especially with young people is: “Isn’t it colonial of us to send missionaries?” They’re not satisfied with a simple... “No, Jesus…

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  71. 19

    Critical Missions Conversations

    45 min · 26 Mar 2022

    While Missio's Missions Leaders Conference was taking place in September 2021, we took advantage of having hundreds of missions leaders in one place and set up a podcast booth where we asked some critical questions. The conversations centered on two massively…

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  72. 18

    A Church After God's Own Heart

    34 min · 17 Dec 2021

    Today we welcome Justin Mack, the Global Project Pastor at River Valley Church in Burnsville Minnesota to the podcast. If you are a missions pastor or serve on a missions team in a local church, you definitely won’t want to miss this epidsode! Ten years ago,…

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  73. 17

    The invention of the printing press catalyzed Martin Luther's reformation; radios and televisions delivered Billy Graham's gospel proclamations to millions of households. Technological advancements have undoubtedly advanced kingdom work for centuries—but is…

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  74. 16

    Now that military forces have withdrawn, security has evaporated and danger has escalated, should we no longer be sending missionaries? Is this the end of the send to Afghanistan or is now the time to call forth a new generation of missionaries to move…

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  75. 15

    Can we be sure that when Jesus commissioned us to “make disciples of all nations," 𝒑𝒂𝒏𝒕𝒂 𝒕𝒂 𝒆𝒕𝒉𝒏𝒆 in the Greek, that He was talking about ethno-linguistic groupings and not just those who weren’t Jews? On this episode of The Mission Matters we are…

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  76. 14

    The Christian community puts tremendous energy and momentum toward getting global workers on the field, but there’s often a lack of intentional effort to provide spiritual, emotional and physical support once workers are serving overseas. Thus, many women…

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  77. 13

    Christians engaged in communicating the gospel navigate a challenging tension: 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘧𝘶𝘭𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘎𝘰𝘥'𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘵, 𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘞𝘰𝘳𝘥 - 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘷𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘤𝘢𝘭, 𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘴𝘰𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘹𝘵.…

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  78. 12

    God has a "world-sized" role for every Christian in His global purpose. Tune in for this episode on 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙈𝙞𝙨𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙈𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙨 as Matthew and Ted have a conversation with their guest – James Mason, CEO for the Perspectives Study Program, as he…

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  79. 11

    “When it comes to missions in the church, the pastor either holds the key to the front door or holds the padlock.” While members of a congregation can be a catalyst for missions envisioning, without the engagement of church leaders, mobilizing a church is…

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  80. 10

    It’s your money. Except that it isn’t. The worldview of your financial planner matters. Tune into this episode on The Mission Matters as Matthew and Ted have a conversation with Virgil Dugan – President of the National Christian Foundation Southwest and John…

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  81. 09

    Operation World

    32 min · 3 Feb 2021

    Join Matthew and Ted as they have a conversation with Jason Mandryk, Editor of Operation World . Learn about the history and the future of the definitive global prayer handbook that has been used by more than a million Christians to pray for the nations.…

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  82. 08

    God is moving in a powerful way in and through His people in Nigeria, a missions awakening is underway. Tune into this episode on The Mission Matters as Matthew and Ted chat with Adegbite Olanihun, of the Nigerian Evangelical Missions Association, about the…

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  83. 07

    On The Mission Matters , Matthew and Ted chat with Gideon and Sarah, African American missionaries to North Africa, about how many missions fields in Africa are becoming missions forces.

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  84. 06

    To Send or Not to Send?

    33 min · 15 Sept 2020

    We talk with President of Frontiers, Bob Blincoe. Bob will shed light on whether or not churches should still be sending missionaries to unreached.

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  85. 05

    Innovation in the Mission Field

    38 min · 15 Aug 2020

    We talk with missions innovator Andrew Scott, of Scatter Global, who sounds a call for a new era of missions. Andrew will not only share his ideas for innovation in the missions model, but also share examples of churches that are finding a fresh missions…

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  86. 04

    Diversity in the Mission Field

    37 min · 15 Jul 2020

    The issue of social justice has certainly been on the forefront of our minds as cultures around the world have wrestled with issues around race. Our guest today is Pastor Adrian Reeves the conference director of the National African American Missions…

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  87. 03

    This episode of the Mission Matters looks at missions trends in a post COVID-19 world with guest Amy Young from Global Trellis.

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  88. 02

    Martyrdom on a Mission

    25 min · 1 Jun 2020

    On this episode Matthew and Ted are joined by Pam Arlund, and will look at the recent sacrifice of the life of a Christian in a hostile situation. We will consider how local church mission leaders can communicate about an event like martyrdom on a mission.

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    Fundraising in a COVID-19 Era

    42 min · 1 May 2020

    The Mission Matters is a partnership of Misso Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen Missions Coaching. Our subject today is Fundraising In a COVID-19 era.

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